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Brad605
06-18-2019, 01:51 AM
Was the rotor updated recently? I have an older version and was curious because the ads now say the new model has a decorative slotted rotor. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190618/304ce0112fef30e24a0b2e8afd7ea2df.jpg

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RedsBluesGreens
06-18-2019, 08:12 PM
Hi Brad,

I canít speak for when they altered the rotor, Iíll try and get some answers for you. Where did you buy the watch, and when? Do you have a picture of the front of the watch?

I can, however, say youíve got the newer, more rounded, crowns, that were introduced at Basel 3-4 years ago. These are a common item replaced at a service, though.

Welcome to the forum.

J.


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mapledraco
06-18-2019, 10:35 PM
It could be the lighting in the photo but if I am not mistaken shouldn't the movement plate be decorated with perlage and blued screws? Also can you see if there is any label/marking/logo on the movement (i.e. SW220-1 or ETA 2836). I have handled a U2 Blue (with displayed back) before and the rotor is much different than this pic.

Brad605
06-19-2019, 04:25 PM
If it is a fake it is the 1st in existence. The watch other then the question on the movement is 100% perfect. The ball bearing clicks are perfect. It keeps perfect time.
I don't know!! Kinda pissed,unsure, etc... Why me?

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RedsBluesGreens
06-21-2019, 02:45 PM
If it is a fake it is the 1st in existence. The watch other then the question on the movement is 100% perfect. The ball bearing clicks are perfect. It keeps perfect time.
I don't know!! Kinda pissed,unsure, etc... Why me?

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Thatís a bold statement, Brad.

There are numerous in existence, mainly MBII and S500, and there have been threads about them on the forum in the past. The watch, aside from the movement, isnít quite perfect, there are a few tell tale signs - and I am not about to divulge what they are.

As I know you are in correspondence with the right parties, Iíll leave that between them and yourself to discuss.

J.


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Brad605
06-21-2019, 03:00 PM
Thatís a bold statement, Brad.

There are numerous in existence, mainly MBII and S500, and there have been threads about them on the forum in the past. The watch, aside from the movement, isnít quite perfect, there are a few tell tale signs - and I am not about to divulge what they are.

As I know you are in correspondence with the right parties, Iíll leave that between them and yourself to discuss.

J.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkGive me 1 sign because I sent Bremont 30 photos and they said they can't tell other then the movement. It has a Swiss ETA movement in it.

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awildermode
06-21-2019, 04:03 PM
Whoa! This is interesting.

Brad605
06-21-2019, 04:05 PM
Whoa! This is interesting.Email me ill send you the Dropbox link of the photos. Also send me one link to a replica MBII, please. brad605@gmail.com

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Brad605
06-21-2019, 04:44 PM
Whoa! This is interesting.Please email me directly with you tell take sign and I'll send you photos proving you wrong. The thought is from Bremont maybe a private jewler replaced the original movement.

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chipbutty55
06-21-2019, 08:31 PM
https://alt1tude.bremont.com/forum/threads/4311-Fake-Supermarine-S500-Warning

I know not an MBII but just shows these are being copied. So without saying anything about your own watch, it’s entirely feasible that one of their biggest selling and most popular models could be copied too.

RedsBluesGreens
06-24-2019, 11:44 AM
Hi everyone, just a quick update: Giles has announced this morning, publicly, that the watch involved in this thread is indeed, as suspected, a fake.

Be careful out there everyone: buy from trusted sources, and do your research. This MBII, just like the S500ís before it, could easily pass at a glance or under scrutiny from someone less knowledgable about the brand than those found here.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190624/8647e9d5041d9d86f8f2a343d0eb7fa3.jpg

J.


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Reviewspeed
06-25-2019, 03:36 AM
Does anyone know whatís going on with these Jaguars coming out of Hong Kong also? Seems this seller is relisting again and again. If anyone here has one, can you have a watchmaker open it up and upload some photos?

Brad605
06-25-2019, 03:39 AM
Does anyone know whatís going on with these Jaguars coming out of Hong Kong also? Seems this seller is relisting again and again. If anyone here has one, can you have a watchmaker open it up and upload some photos?I still have not seen any MB replicas online.

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jwalker9
06-25-2019, 03:49 AM
Brad, whoever is making the MBII fakes is likely not selling them online to draw any attention, but rather slipping these into circulation to buyers who think they’re getting the “real thing” at a “great deal” price.
Sorry to hear about your situation. Would love to hear more about how/where/when you got yours, and what gave you the idea to take off the back yourself and photograph the movement? If you had not done that, it would have been harder to identify as a fake. If you’ve bought other high end watches from the same source, you should certainly investigate further!

Brad605
06-25-2019, 04:04 AM
Brad, whoever is making the MBII fakes is likely not selling them online to draw any attention, but rather slipping these into circulation to buyers who think theyíre getting the ďreal thingĒ at a ďgreat dealĒ price.
Sorry to hear about your situation. Would love to hear more about how/where/when you got yours, and what gave you the idea to take off the back yourself and photograph the movement? If you had not done that, it would have been harder to identify as a fake. If youíve bought other high end watches from the same source, you should certainly investigate further!I have a bunch of better photos I would love to share. The movement is an ETA Swiss. For what it's worth:) The watch other then the movement is so darn perfect. I even received the strap tool, hard outer box, leather watch pouch and soft outer bag.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kl6l3d7bxi9unxy/AACcw9INa_hhSeV1xcEhPxGEa?dl=0

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jwalker9
06-25-2019, 04:09 AM
I don’t want to expose all of the “tells” from your watch, but the dial, rear case, and movement all have issues. Hard to say about the case and crystal, but I suspect it is not hardened and would scratch and dent quite a bit easier than a true Bremont case.
Yours is a good fake, but unfortunately a fake.

Brad605
06-25-2019, 04:17 AM
I donít want to expose all of the ďtellsĒ from your watch, but the dial, rear case, and movement all have issues. Hard to say about the case and crystal, but I suspect it is not hardened and would scratch and dent quite a bit easier than a true Bremont case.
Yours is a good fake, but unfortunately a fake.I have to call a little BS on you. Why wouldn't expose the tells. Who give a shit!!! I have looked at every model of this watch and every marks matches and I took a nail and tried to scratch inside the lug area to check hardness and it did not scratch and I pressed hard. Same with the crystal.

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Brad605
06-25-2019, 04:20 AM
I have to call a little BS on you. Why wouldn't expose the tells. Who give a shit!!! I have looked at every model of this watch and every marks matches and I took a nail and tried to scratch inside the lug area to check hardness and it did not scratch and I pressed hard. Same with the crystal.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using TapatalkAlso Bremont says the serial number on the watch is an orange barrel MBII. They want me to send it to them so they can look at. They said other then the movement it appears real.

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Reviewspeed
06-25-2019, 04:22 AM
Here Brad, this is how you set up a side by side to see for yourself

Brad605
06-25-2019, 04:31 AM
Here Brad, this is how you set up a side by side to see for yourselfThat is not a good side by side. The lighting and scale is off. The second hand is different. But that doesn't mean anything because mine on the right has all red tip. If you Google MBII they all have red only second hand. I don't see any glaring differences.

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Brad605
06-25-2019, 04:33 AM
That is not a good side by side. The lighting and scale is off. The second hand is different. But that doesn't mean anything because mine on the right has all red tip. If you Google MBII they all have red only second hand. I don't see any glaring differences.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using TapatalkMine has the French days of the week too.

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RedsBluesGreens
06-25-2019, 05:20 AM
I have to call a little BS on you. Why wouldn't expose the tells. Who give a shit!!! I have looked at every model of this watch and every marks matches and I took a nail and tried to scratch inside the lug area to check hardness and it did not scratch and I pressed hard. Same with the crystal.

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But why would we expose the tells, Brad? That would only help the people who are faking these get better, and thatís certainly not that we want, as they appear to be darn good already.

Like I mentioned earlier, this is probably one of the only places where the people are knowledgeable enough to be able to tell you your watch is fake straight off - and we have done just that.




Mine has the French days of the week too.



English/French days of the week are reasonably standard on a lot of watches these days - you can find it fairly easily on watches in a lot of jewellers for under £100. It is certainly *not* an indicator of authenticity, in this case.

Where did you get the watch? Itís a worryingly accurate fake at first glance, if there is ever such a thing, thereís no doubt about it.

J.


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Reviewspeed
06-25-2019, 05:53 AM
That is not a good side by side. The lighting and scale is off. The second hand is different. But that doesn't mean anything because mine on the right has all red tip. If you Google MBII they all have red only second hand. I don't see any glaring differences.

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The photo from Chrono24 is plenty crisp and detailed. Itís your photo that isnít. If you want a better side by side then take a photo dead on and not at an angle. And itís not going to be a glaring difference in this case so you have to look at every single little detail.

chipbutty55
06-25-2019, 07:38 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190624/8647e9d5041d9d86f8f2a343d0eb7fa3.jpg



Brad, despite your own impressions, and what you see and think about your watch, one of the brothers at Bremont has come out publicly and announced that unfortunately, this piece is indeed a fake and as has been seen with previous fake S500's, even the complete packaging was copied, right down to the strap changing tools and warranty cards.
Nobody here is arguing how good it is, it's worryingly good, BUT there are a few very very minor differences. And if I may, I'll also add, that no matter how much you cajole or try to coerce people into highlighting the differences to you, as J has already alluded to, nobody here will give you a list of theses differences so that the people making these can go and improve them and make them even more difficult to spot. Surely that's obvious and makes complete sense?
It is an extremely unfortunate situation that you find yourself in if you have purchased this thinking it to be genuine, and you do indeed have my sympathy. But coming onto a Bremont forum for advice where the knowledge base is likely only bettered by Bremont itself, and calling people out on their knowledge or suggesting what they suggest is BS isn't likely going to extend that sympathy in your direction by many other members for very long.
So I again offer my sympathies for this situation you find yourself in and sincerely hope that you have some comeback with the seller now that you have official confirmation from the man at the top that it's not genuine and that you can conclude this issue to your satisfaction with a complete refund.

Oracle
06-25-2019, 09:04 AM
Send it in to Bremont to verify its authenticity and that will be all the proof that is needed.
IF it is a fake then you will have full written evidence to get a refund for your purchase.
Good luck.
But don't take it out on J as he is trying to help you, that's all. And NOBODY wants to help the fakers.

RedsBluesGreens
06-25-2019, 11:00 AM
Send it in to Bremont to verify its authenticity and that will be all the proof that is needed.
IF it is a fake then you will have full written evidence to get a refund for your purchase.
Good luck.
But don't take it out on J as he is trying to help you, that's all. And NOBODY wants to help the fakers.

David, see my post a few posts above from Giles - he and Bremont have confirmed, publicly, that the watch is a fake. There should be nothing else left to be said.

J.


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Brad605
06-25-2019, 11:04 AM
I get it. But not telling you so called tells is obviously a mute point. Anyone that is making replicas have everything they need to make nearly exact copies. There only limitations are there own machinery. Also there are 100s of YouTube videos of other brands detailing the differences. I think you just don't see any exterior difference. The movement I get Is not correct but specifically on the outside?? The case is 100%

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RedsBluesGreens
06-25-2019, 11:45 AM
Brad,

This will be my final post on the matter, on this thread. You have summed up the situation well in your last post.


Anyone that is making replicas have everything they need to make nearly exact copies.

ĎNearly exactí - and thatís exactly what weíve said, on numerous occasions here, that your MBII is.

You have come to, arguably, the best place on the internet for Bremont to get advice on your watch, some of the most knowledgable Bremont collectors and experts in the World are found lurking here, of that there is no doubt.

If you want to know the tells - and do trust me when I say there are quite a few - there are other places on the internet that Iím sure will tell you. That is if they can tell themselves.

However, you are *not* getting them from this forum.

Like David said above, I know you are in contact with HQ - send them the watch so you can get closure on the matter from the horses mouth, as it were.


Best,

J.


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Brad605
06-25-2019, 11:48 AM
Brad,

This will be my final post on the matter, on this thread. You have summed up the situation well in your last post.



ĎNearly exactí - and thatís exactly what weíve said, on numerous occasions here, that your MBII is.

You have come to, arguably, the best place on the internet for Bremont to get advice on your watch, some of the most knowledgable Bremont collectors and experts in the World are found lurking here, of that there is no doubt.

If you want to know the tells - and do trust me when I say there are quite a few - there are other places on the internet that Iím sure will tell you. That is if they can tell themselves.

However, you are *not* getting them from this forum.

Like David said above, I know you are in contact with HQ - send them the watch so you can get closure on the matter from the horses mouth, as it were.


Best,

J.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThank you, I never meant to be or sound argumentative. Just frustrated as you could imagine.
Thanks again for your insight.
Cheers, BT

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Reviewspeed
06-25-2019, 12:01 PM
If you paid with PayPal or through Chrono24 you should have no issue getting your money back. If it’s the $2000 one from Hong Kong on C24 you bought that seller apparently has another one up. Brand new with some but not all the papers is always a thing with fake Rolexes. The Jaguar Bremonts I mentioned yesterday are also coming out of Hong Kong and those listings are only the ones I can see now. That seller has been doing it for months. I thought because of flaky buyers on eBay but given this thread and the S500 thread I’m beginning to suspect otherwise. It’s not that hard to get a good deal on an MBII or just about any Bremont for that matter if you’re on eBay or Watchrecon. Given this crap, I’d look for one from a US seller with papers indicating a sale at US retailer. I bought a U2/T for $1750 in the last year on eBay so unless you paid $1k the deal you got wasn’t that exceptional. Regular MBIIs go for $2250-2500 frequently.

Brad605
06-25-2019, 12:04 PM
If you paid with PayPal or through Chrono24 you should have no issue getting your money back. If itís the $2000 one from Hong Kong on C24 you bought that seller apparently has another one up. Brand new with some but not all the papers is always a thing with fake Rolexes. The Jaguar Bremonts I mentioned yesterday are also coming out of Hong Kong and those listings are only the ones I can see now. That seller has been doing it for months. I thought because of flaky buyers on eBay but given this thread and the S500 thread Iím beginning to suspect otherwise. Itís not that hard to get a good deal on an MBII or just about any Bremont for that matter if youíre on eBay or Watchrecon. Given this crap, Iíd look for one from a US seller with papers indicating a sale at US retailer. I bought a U2/T for $1750 in the last year on eBay so unless you paid $1k the deal you got wasnít that exceptional. Regular MBIIs go for $2250-2500 frequently.Thank you!!

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